2 Replies Latest reply on Dec 7, 2010 10:31 AM by Dustin Neild

    Formatting in a Matrix Auction - strange behavior, need a workaround

    Madison Goodwin Apprentice

      Hello!  We are on 9r1 and running a matrix auction.  We have all items and terms built into 2 lots, and there are approx. 130 price points across the two lots.  For some reason, the system is not letting us launch the auction as a parallel event ("the number of lots/ line items exceeds the maximum allowed" error), but if we change the format to series or staggered, we are able to launch.  We have looked at the event management guide and cannot figure out how we are reaching any maximum parameters.

       

      So, here we are with a staggered, matrix auction.  The problem is that depending on the VIEW (either view as participant, or when you surrogate as a supplier) and on the PHASE, the terms at times display correctly and at other items display incorrectly.  Sadly, everything looks great when the auction is in "Preview" but once it's "Open for Bidding," the view rearranges as one long list of price points and the matrix format we want no longer displays.

       

      We have tried playing with having price and the terms on columns versus rows... we have tried every iteration in fact.  The frustrating piece is that we will get things to look the way we want it, and then when the phase changes, the view changes.  When you monitor the event and just look at the "Content" tab, without fail everything looks great.  The most important screen- where the supplier submits their bids, when the auction is open - is where we are running into problems.

       

      Has anyone run into this?  Has anyone successfully been able to run a matrix auction as series or staggered?

       

      Thanks in advance!

        • Re: Formatting in a Matrix Auction - strange behavior, need a workaround
          David Morel Master

          Melissa...see my comments below:

           

          Hello!  We are on 9r1 and running a  matrix auction.  We have all items and terms built into 2 lots, and  there are approx. 130 price points across the two lots.  For some  reason, the system is not letting us launch the auction as a parallel  event ("the number of lots/ line items exceeds the maximum allowed"  error), but if we change the format to series or staggered, we are able  to launch.  We have looked at the event management guide and cannot  figure out how we are reaching any maximum parameters.

          We only allow for a max of 100 items in an auction and biddable at a time and you are over that.Serial and staggered will work for you. See page 83 of the SP9 Event Management Guide.  Also, you state you are running a matrix auction, but it sounds like you are running an event with 2 item lots, not matrix bidding.

           

          So,  here we are with a staggered, matrix auction.  The problem is that  depending on the VIEW (either view as participant, or when you surrogate  as a supplier) and on the PHASE, the terms at times display correctly  and at other items display incorrectly.  Sadly, everything looks great  when the auction is in "Preview" but once it's "Open for Bidding," the  view rearranges as one long list of price points and the matrix format  we want no longer displays.

           

          I am sorry, would have to see things to better understand.  Have you shown this to Support yet?  They should be able to help or determine if it is a defect.

           

          We  have tried playing with having price and the terms on columns versus  rows... we have tried every iteration in fact.  The frustrating piece is  that we will get things to look the way we want it, and then when the  phase changes, the view changes.  When you monitor the event and just  look at the "Content" tab, without fail everything looks great.  The  most important screen- where the supplier submits their bids, when the  auction is open - is where we are running into problems.

           

          Has anyone run into this?  Has anyone successfully been able to run a matrix auction as series or staggered?

           

          Thanks in advance!

          • Re: Formatting in a Matrix Auction - strange behavior, need a workaround
            Dustin Neild Expert

            Hi Madison,

             

            I have some experience with matrix and following what David wrote, I think you actually are using matrix.  However, Ariba doesn't actually allow you to auction in a true matrix format.  When bidding is open, it actually has bidders participate one one combination at a time (similar to how in the buyer view the matrix actually just looks like the items are blown out to the number of items x terms) - it doesn't actually let you have all price points in the matrix biddable at once.

             

            Definitely engage with support but I think you may have to calibrate your expectations of the software for this particular design.  And try to get creative - especially with the new ability to show line item level rank inside of lots, you might be able to have a lot with individual items in it.  Then have each of those items be a different combination of your terms.  That way you could run the lots in serial but while each lot is open suppliers could compete on the individual combinations all at once etc.  Of course make sure your language is clear about how you will split up this award (since ariba won't allow you to break up the lot).  This new functionality has some nice side benefits

             

            -Dustin

             

            dustin.neild@covidien.com